Finale, triplets, and the end of the bar

6/6/2010 4:00:42 AM #

Is it just me, or does this seem more complicated than doing it with the Speedy Entry tool?  I don't use the Simple Entry tool ever, I've been meaning to check it out but, usually I'm too busy just "getting it done" that I don't have the time to explore...  One day I will!

Anyways, you asked "how is this working for you" so, this is how I do it, using speedy entry:

Hit option+3 (on a mac) followed by either 4 for eighth note triplets, or 5 for quarter note triplets.  Each successive note only requires an additional 4 or 5 keystroke.   Then, if you want to create a quarter note followed by eighth note in the space of a quarter note, as you mentioned, I delete the second eighth note, go back to the first eighth note and hit 5 to change it to a quarter note.  Done.

Anyways, great blog posts - keep 'em coming!

DM

Daniel Menjivar

6/6/2010 4:35:34 AM #

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6/6/2010 10:18:18 AM #

Good tip and a time saver. Thanks!

Janet Lanier

6/6/2010 10:42:07 PM #

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your input! Your preferred method works great as well; both approaches have their advantages. Tom’s preference for Simple Entry may be due to the fact that it lets him enter notes, articulations, expressions, key signatures, time signatures, and clefs all without changing tools.

Scott at MakeMusic

Scott Yoho

6/6/2010 10:43:17 PM #

Hi Janet,

On behalf of Tom, who's either on vacation or packing as we speak, thanks!

Scott at MakeMusic

Scott Yoho

6/8/2010 1:29:49 AM #

I often have trouble with triplets at the end of the measure. Take the following scenario: I am in 7/8 time. In an empty measure. enter 3 quaver triplets, which occupy the first 6 quaver beats. Then I enter a 16th note and type 9 in Simple Entry, which gives me a triplet made up of the 16th note I entered and two 16th rests. That's all fine. But what I want to do is to put a quaver followed by a 16th note into this triplet. So I delete one of the 16th rests, and try to change the 16th note I entered to a quaver. No luck - Finale plays the error sound like it does when the measure is too full. When I click into another measure, forcing Finale to fill the bar with rests, it fills the triplet up with a 32nd rest. When I click in and out of the measure again, Finale gives me a double-dotted 128th rest added after the 32nd rest. Always the same - in Finale 2005 and 2010 - and really annoying too.

I have had a similar issue in simpler time signatures in the past too - this rather complicated example comes to mind because I have been having trouble with it recently.

Thank you for thinking of this issue - it is something that has annoyed me for a long time, and I have never got around to asking Support about it.

Alan Thomas

6/9/2010 12:55:28 PM #

Hi Alan,

That would be a special case where you may have to turn off Check For Extra Notes under the Simple Entry Menu > Simple Entry Options.

-Justin

justin w. phillips

6/15/2010 12:59:01 AM #

Triplets have always been awkward in Finale, to my mind. Writing swing phrases for symphony players in big charts for orchestra, where it's necessary to write groups of swing 8ths as quarter-and-8th triplets for strings, for instance. It would be great to have a plugin that did that to a selected section, instead of having to strategize around it (I usually copy rhythmic groups then change the pitches, I find it quicker than anything else). Actually, entering quarter/8th triplet groups in speedy is also slow, because you can only use the number key to configure either all quarters or all 8ths. Maybe I'm missing something?  

Mike

6/15/2010 11:35:28 PM #

Actually, entering quarter/8th triplet groups in speedy is also slow, because you can only use the number key to configure either all quarters or all 8ths. Maybe I'm missing something?

Hi Mike:

The way I do it in Speedy Entry is to start by entering eighths, (to "configure" it to use eighths), and then change the first eighth note to a quarter note.

If I were to explain it a keystroke at a time, here's how I do it:

• Select the speedy entry tool and click on a measure.
• Press "Option+3" together to enter in a triplet
• Press "4" and then "4" again - this will enter two eighth note triplets (use any pitch you want)
• Now use the arrow keys to go back to the first eighth note triplet and press "5" to change it to a quarter note

For me, this is much faster than "copying and pasting rhythmic groups" and then changing pitches...

I hope this helps!

DM

Daniel Menjivar

6/20/2010 10:54:55 PM #

Personally, I don't understand why MakeMusic encourages the frequent use of Simple Entry. I find Speedy Entry to be MUCH easier and faster, as well as being easier to ensure the notes entered are the correct ones you intended. In Simple, it's very easy to get a wrong note entered that you may not catch until much later... and everyone has a MIDI keyboard to enter notes (almost everyone, then!), so what's the point of Simple Entry at all?

Jerry Cleveland

6/23/2010 2:22:10 PM #

Please take a look at the article I wrote, Simple Entry Tuplets, at www.specialmillwork.com/finaletips.htm

Mike Rosen

6/25/2010 12:22:40 PM #

Hi Mike,

Well done -- I recommend others check out "Tuplets with Simple Entry.pdf" as well.

Thanks for sharing!

Scott at MakeMusic

Scott Yoho

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